Алекса
07-02-09, 11:45
Видим да се на разним форумима константно провлаче приче о Хрватима и Аварима, па не би било лоше да кажемо нешто с генетске стране. Како год Хрватима то звучало, за тезу о аварском пореклу Хрвата нису одговорни Срби.
1. http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/ejhg/journal/v11/n7/abs/5200992a.html
http://www.white-history.com/avars_files/ejhgcover.jpg
Y chromosomal heritage of Croatian population and its island isolates
Lovorka Bara, Marijana Peri, Irena Martinovi Klari, Siiri Rootsi, Branka Janiijevi, Toomas Kivisild, Jüri Parik, Igor Rudan, Richard Villems and Pavao Rudan
Y chromosome variation in 457 Croatian samples was studied using 16 SNPs/indel and eight STR loci. High frequency of haplogroup I in Croatian populations and the phylogeographic pattern in its background STR diversity over Europe make Adriatic coast one likely source of the recolonization of Europe following the Last Glacial Maximum. The higher frequency of I in the southern island populations is contrasted with higher frequency of group R1a chromosomes in the northern island of Krk and in the mainland. R1a frequency, while low in Greeks and Albanians, is highest in Polish, Ukrainian and Russian populations and could be a sign of the Slavic impact in the Balkan region. Haplogroups J, G and E that can be related to the spread of farming characterize the minor part (12.5%) of the Croatian paternal lineages. In one of the southern island (Hvar) populations, we found a relatively high frequency (14%) of lineages belonging to P*(xM173) cluster, which is unusual for European populations. Interestingly, the same population also harbored mitochondrial haplogroup F that is virtually absent in European populations - indicating a connection with Central Asian populations, possibly the Avars.
2. Mongoloid and Central Asian mtDNA and Y markers are present on the Croatian island Hvar.
Worthy of note is the finding of considerable frequency of haplogroup P*(xM173) in the population of the island of Hvar. According to Wells et al this lineage displays maximum in Central Asia while being rare in Europe, Middle East and East Asia. Its presence in Hvar recapitulates our finding of mtDNA haplogroup F on the island of Hvar and in mainland Croatian population that is virtually absent in Europe but, again, common in populations from Central and Eastern Asia. There are several possibilities for the occurrence of the ancestral lineage of M173. One is the well-documented alliance of Avars (a Mongol people) and Slavs (Croatians) that followed Avar arrival to the eastern Adriatic in 6th century AD. The other is the expansion of the Ottoman Empire from the 16th to 18th century AD when refugees from the western Balkan frequently immigrated to the islands. Lastly, the ancient Silk Road linking China with western Asia and Europe could be a possible path of P(xM173) lineage, too. Any of these migratory patterns could have introduced this mutation to the investigated population. (Barac et al. 2003)
http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/7.html
Ипак, мора се нагласити, поштења ради, да на основу ових података прогласити све Хрвате за Аваре, било би нетачно. Разлога има пуно, а ко би следио такву линију, морао би исто то учинити и са великим бројем Грка, јужних Италијана, или Шпанаца. На исти начин би неко, на основу цигана који се представљају као Срби (Батић, на пример), могао донети сличан закључак о нама. Мислим да не треба бити поборник оваквих генерализација. Ако би неко нашао још од материјала везаних за генетски део овог питања, молим пренесите овде.
1. http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/ejhg/journal/v11/n7/abs/5200992a.html
http://www.white-history.com/avars_files/ejhgcover.jpg
Y chromosomal heritage of Croatian population and its island isolates
Lovorka Bara, Marijana Peri, Irena Martinovi Klari, Siiri Rootsi, Branka Janiijevi, Toomas Kivisild, Jüri Parik, Igor Rudan, Richard Villems and Pavao Rudan
Y chromosome variation in 457 Croatian samples was studied using 16 SNPs/indel and eight STR loci. High frequency of haplogroup I in Croatian populations and the phylogeographic pattern in its background STR diversity over Europe make Adriatic coast one likely source of the recolonization of Europe following the Last Glacial Maximum. The higher frequency of I in the southern island populations is contrasted with higher frequency of group R1a chromosomes in the northern island of Krk and in the mainland. R1a frequency, while low in Greeks and Albanians, is highest in Polish, Ukrainian and Russian populations and could be a sign of the Slavic impact in the Balkan region. Haplogroups J, G and E that can be related to the spread of farming characterize the minor part (12.5%) of the Croatian paternal lineages. In one of the southern island (Hvar) populations, we found a relatively high frequency (14%) of lineages belonging to P*(xM173) cluster, which is unusual for European populations. Interestingly, the same population also harbored mitochondrial haplogroup F that is virtually absent in European populations - indicating a connection with Central Asian populations, possibly the Avars.
2. Mongoloid and Central Asian mtDNA and Y markers are present on the Croatian island Hvar.
Worthy of note is the finding of considerable frequency of haplogroup P*(xM173) in the population of the island of Hvar. According to Wells et al this lineage displays maximum in Central Asia while being rare in Europe, Middle East and East Asia. Its presence in Hvar recapitulates our finding of mtDNA haplogroup F on the island of Hvar and in mainland Croatian population that is virtually absent in Europe but, again, common in populations from Central and Eastern Asia. There are several possibilities for the occurrence of the ancestral lineage of M173. One is the well-documented alliance of Avars (a Mongol people) and Slavs (Croatians) that followed Avar arrival to the eastern Adriatic in 6th century AD. The other is the expansion of the Ottoman Empire from the 16th to 18th century AD when refugees from the western Balkan frequently immigrated to the islands. Lastly, the ancient Silk Road linking China with western Asia and Europe could be a possible path of P(xM173) lineage, too. Any of these migratory patterns could have introduced this mutation to the investigated population. (Barac et al. 2003)
http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/7.html
Ипак, мора се нагласити, поштења ради, да на основу ових података прогласити све Хрвате за Аваре, било би нетачно. Разлога има пуно, а ко би следио такву линију, морао би исто то учинити и са великим бројем Грка, јужних Италијана, или Шпанаца. На исти начин би неко, на основу цигана који се представљају као Срби (Батић, на пример), могао донети сличан закључак о нама. Мислим да не треба бити поборник оваквих генерализација. Ако би неко нашао још од материјала везаних за генетски део овог питања, молим пренесите овде.